Friday, July 9, 2010
Australian Salafi website Erases Discussion on Zaidism
The Australian Salafi website “aussiemuslims.com” has erased a discussion about the Zaidi math-hab 3 times in the past 24 hours. An open minded Hanafi brother was taking part in the discussion with Zaida, who is an aussie and a muslim, but the discussion was abruptly erased. On this blog, I have invited Salafis to discuss the points raised, and the valid, intelligent comments made by Salafis have received a polite and respectful response. We hereby ask aussiemuslims.com to accord us the same treatment, in the spirit of muslim unity.
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awsmakka said...
ReplyDeletenot only the Australian salafis have closed minded ... this is a common factor between all of them .. there is many common factors between all of salafis all over the world e.g : short of education , Saucy words , takfeer passion , Arrogant ... many other bad descriptions for there characters that need books to write about ... may Allah save us from them
July 10, 2010 12:42 PM
i think that is a pretty harsh generalisation and one you shouldn't really be making based upon a couple of people on one particular site. no doubt in all groups you will find some more passion driven while others more through wisdom. Maybe if we all tried to emulate the Prophet (saas) a little more we'd be a little more patient and tolerant. may Allah guide and save us all
ReplyDeletei think the salafi characters and actions did not came from nothing, who read and follow the recommendations in the books of Ibn Taimia, and generally all the books Hanbalis specially what they call it (sunnah) books ( like (sunnah) for Abdullah ibn Ahmed ibn Hanbal, (sunnah) for ibn Batta,(sunnah) for AlKhalal, (sunnah) for alBarbahary...etc) he will have many aspects for his character and behavior like:
ReplyDeleteclose minded for every thing non-salafi or even not from his school inside the salafis, violently, roughly, arrogant, mad and have a big case in his life that he make all muslims : Kafir and Mushrik but him ...etc
so u see them believe in awful critical beliefs like anthropomorphism, equalization allah by human and in the same time called people Kafir and Mushrik for every trivial practical thing the muslims use to do like: visiting braves, carrying rosary(Masbaha), rising voice in intention so they appropriating muslims honor, muslim blood and money (like what they did in Najd when they start their call and doing now in Iraq, pakistan ...) for every trivial thing u disagree them by it.
as the Hanafi Kawthary may allah have mercy on his saoul ( died in 1951) said:
in all history periods the exist of anthropomorphism people and Atheism were inseparable, as the history reader can see ..
problem here is blaming a whole section of a community based upon past experiences when dealing with certain individuals. I've also see some from various groups those who are narrow minded and most often its due to lack of knowledge. which is why we should always continue our learning.
ReplyDeleteGreat Scholars like ibn Taymiyyah, Imaam Ahmad etc were indeed great scholars of their time who worked hard to preserve the religion. but they were men and the Prophet (saas) said the Scholar has two rewards if correct and one if otherwise and that is due to their sincere effect to reach the truth. and they were praised by many of their peers including many that they had disagreements with on different issues.
seems to me to call them anthropomorphist for affirming only that which Allah said in the Quran about Himself including that there is nothing like unto Him then you may as well call the Prophet one too.
you seem to fall into the same hole as those salafis of labeling people unjustly.
as for Iraq then you may want to research shia death squads mainly from the Mahdi Army and the rampage they were responsible for in targeting Sunnis. they even had a trade mark killing method in using electric drills. there are extremist everywhere unfortunately. May Allah save us from ourselves!
again our differences can only be resolved by returning to that which corrected it in the beginning. the uncreated word of Allah (AwJ) and the teachings and example of the Prophet (saas)
brother Abdullah :
ReplyDeleteIbn Taimia is not a great scholar (at least for me) he was trying to regenerate the paganism by show it up after the islam came to remove the Paganism thoughts from the old arab and their neighbors in the desert ..!! as salafis rough we see ibn taimia was the same ..!!
Ibn Taimia died in Jail ..!! why he was jailed?! and who put him in the jail ??!! are they the shiaa he always hate ??!! or who ??!!
Ibn Taimia died in jail by the sunni scholars in his time ( shafe'e,malaki,Hanafi , even Hanbali) all of them judge ibn Taimia and after all they have a conclusion that Ibn Taimia is not muslim, he is Kafir !!
his charge was Infidelity because of his Sassy and shameless words in Prophet Muhammed (as), Imam Ali, Abu Baker, Omer rather then Allah who was trying hardly to improve that the anthropomorphism is not wrong, and equalizing allah with human is a duty to be muslim ..!!
u can see all of that in the books wrote about ibn Taimia biography e.g : al Dorar al Kamena for Ibn Hajar al Asqalani , sayf al saqeel for alSubky , the letter of tha-haby for Ibn Taimia (ibn Taimia was a teacher 4 tha-haby) which called (Zaghal al ilm) and many sources.
slafi have a Pagan idea which called : Abandoned heretic so they don not believe in depate with non-salafis ... same as the people of Ibrahim (as) and Nooh people.
so any honest one trying resolve the differences with these salafi will be Overcome and do not know these salfis ... best way to know salafis is to disagree with them in anything then u can come back brother Abdullah and told us how good r they !!!
Sheikh Ninowy writes: The British empire blessed the Wahhabi (i.e. Salafi) movement to weaken the Islamic Ottoman state... they supplied the Wahhabis with finance and weapons... the bloody and barbaric conquest made Wahhabism the dominant force in Arabia... it led to the creation of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia in 1932...With oil wealth, the kingdom offered scholars safety and salary to adopt or move closer to the Wahhabi view, they were paid to study the Wahhabi view"... look into it Abdullah, it is the old "divide and rule" policy of the West... encourage extremist groups and not moderate ones, so that the Muslims will be too busy fighting each other to fight the real enemies...
ReplyDeleteawsmakka said...
ReplyDelete"i think the salafi ... have many aspects for his character and behavior like:
close minded for every thing non-salafi or even not from his school inside the salafis, violently, roughly, arrogant, mad and have a big case in his life that he make all muslims : Kafir and Mushrik but him ...etc"
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what you are describing is the "jadidi salafis" who call every other person a kaafir.. normal salafis would be scared to death before declaring sum1 a kaafir because if they're wrong then its a big sin..
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awsmakka said...
"Ibn Taimia ... was trying hardly to improve that the anthropomorphism is not wrong, and equalizing allah with human is a duty to be muslim ..!!"
i have read books by ibn taymiyyah and he does not say this, he is most definitely against anthropomorphism