tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1198887780391997034.post29253948768590788..comments2023-05-22T16:09:39.492-07:00Comments on zaidism: Ask a Zaidi: October Editionzaidahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10445187375750375925noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1198887780391997034.post-14272895208985236192010-10-31T21:13:13.376-07:002010-10-31T21:13:13.376-07:00Thanks for your question Ali. I'll put it in t...Thanks for your question Ali. I'll put it in the November edition of "Ask a Zaidi".zaidahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10445187375750375925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1198887780391997034.post-58398430266766914032010-10-30T09:48:27.853-07:002010-10-30T09:48:27.853-07:00Salam alaykoum
Do Zaydis believe in al-Dajjal?Salam alaykoum<br /><br /><br />Do Zaydis believe in al-Dajjal?B.https://www.blogger.com/profile/15513551486901284160noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1198887780391997034.post-89127720917692646742010-10-23T04:21:17.138-07:002010-10-23T04:21:17.138-07:00Take your time brother. Inshallah in the future, w...Take your time brother. Inshallah in the future, we will use this material to defend al Zaydia.ProAhlulBayt1https://www.blogger.com/profile/09431146068078643898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1198887780391997034.post-38048321758981041232010-10-22T22:57:53.960-07:002010-10-22T22:57:53.960-07:00Here are some of the transmitters of this hadith. ...Here are some of the transmitters of this hadith. I need time to find them all! and translate them.<br /><br />رواه الإمام الناصر الأطروش كما في كتاب المحيط بالإمامة (خ) تحت التحقيق، ورواه الحافظ العلوي كما ذكره عنه الإمام المرشد بالله في الأمالي الإثنينية، وأخرجه بطرق أخرى، كما رواه الإمام محمد بن المطهر في المنهاج (خ) تحت التحقيق، والإمام الحسن بن بدر الدين في أنوار اليقين، وأخوه الأمير الحسين في الينابيع، والإمام الهادي بن إبراهيم الوزير في هداية الراغبين (خ) تحت التحقيق.<br /><br /><br />قال السيد: أخبرنا محمد، قال: حدثنا الحسين بن جعفر، قال: وحدثنا أبو الحسين أحمد بن محمد بن عيسى البزار قراءة من لفظه، قالا: حدثنا هارون بن عيسى الصيرفي ملول أبو محمد، قال: حدثنا بكار بن محمد بن شعبة بن دحان بن ثوبان أبو مالك البصري، قال: حدثني أبي محمد بن شعبة بن دحان، قال: حدثني بكر بن عبدالملك بن وائل الأعنفبصري سكن اليمامة، وكان رجلا صالحا، عن طارق بن شهاب.<br />عن حذيفة بن اليمان، قال: نظر رسول الله - صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم- إلى زيد بن حارثة، فقال: ((المقتول في الله، والمصلوب في أمتي والمظلوم من أهل بيتي سمي هذا -وأشار بيده إلى زيد بن حارثة-، فقال: أدن مني يا زيد، زادك اسمك عندي حبا، فأنت سمي الحبيب من أهل بيتي)).<br />وبه قال: أخبرنا الشريف أبوعبد الله محمد بن علي بن الحسن بن علي بن الحسين بن عبد الرحمن بن القاسم بن محمد البطحاني الحسيني الكوفي بقراءتي عليه بها، قال: أخبرنا أبو طالب محمد بن الحسين القرشي المقري، وزيد بن محمد بن مضاية المؤدب، وأحمد بن محمد بن مطيع الخزاعي الصانع قراءة عليهم، قالوا: أخبرنا علي بن عبد الرحمن بن عيسى الكاتب قراءة عليه، قال: حدثنا محمد بن إبراهيم العامري، قال: حدثنا حسين بن نصر، قال: حدثنا خالد بن عيسى العكلي، عن حصين بن المخارق، عن شريك بن عبد الله، عن قيس بن مسلم، عن طارق بن شهاب.<br />عن حذيفة بن اليمان، قال: قال رسول الله - صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم- : ((خير الأولين والآخرين المقتول في الله، المصلوب في أمتي، المظلوم من أهل بيتي،<br />سمي هذا))، ثم ضم زيد بن حارثة إليه، ثم قال: ((يا زيد لقد زادك اسمك عندي حبا فأنت سمي الحبيب من أهل بيتي)).<br />وبه قال: أخبرنا الشريف أبو عبد الله، قال: حدثنا القاضي أبو بكر، أحمد بن محمد بن أحمد بن خالد الدينوري قدم حاجا سنة تسعين وثلاثمائة، قال: حدثنا أبو الحسن علي بن محمد بن عامر النهاوندي، قال: حدثنا أبو العباس أحمد بن خالد بن حبان، قال: أخبرني عبد الرحمن بن القاسم، قال: حدثني نصر بن مزاحم، عن شريك، عن شريك بن مخارق، عن طارق بن شهاب.<br />عن حذيفة بن اليمان أن النبي - صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم- نظر إلى زيد بن حارثة، فقال: ((المقتول في الله والمظلوم من أهل بيتي والمصلوب في أمتي سمي هذا)) وأشار إلى زيد بن حارثة، ثم قال: ((أدن مني يا زيد، زادك اسمك عندي حبا فأنت سمي الحبيب من أهل بيتي)).<br />وبه قال: أخبرنا شيخنا أبو سعد إسماعيل بن علي بن الحسين بقراءتي عليه، قال: حدثنا أبو الحسين الحسن بن علي بن محمد بن جعفر الوبري بقراءتي عليه في (خان الفرايين)، قال: حدثنا القاضي أبوبكر محمد بن عمر بن محمد بن سالم بن البراء بن سبرة الجعابي الحافظ قراءة عليه، قال: حدثني أبو الحسنعلي بن موسى الغطفاني، قال: حدثنا الحسن بن علي بن بزيغ، قال: حدثنا إسماعيل بن أبان، عن عمرو بن حريث، عن برذعة وهو ابن عبد الرحمن البناني.<br />عن أنس، قال: قال النبي - صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم-: ((يقتل من ولدي رجل يدعى زيدا بموضع يعرف بالكناسة، يدعو إلى الحق، يتبعه عليه كل مؤمن)).<br />وبه قال: أخبرنا شيخنا أبو سعد، قال: حدثنا أبو الحسين الحسن بن علي الوبري، قال: حدثنا أبوبكر محمد بن عمر الجعابي.<br /><br />I will translate it for you at a later time.Zabarahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1198887780391997034.post-17806782752554708092010-10-22T22:44:24.920-07:002010-10-22T22:44:24.920-07:00From the 12rs books the earliest seerah on Imam Za...From the 12rs books the earliest seerah on Imam Zayd bin Ali (as) are done by Ibn Babuwayh and Mufid. Refer to Ibn Babuwayh's book al Amali and Shaykh Mufid book Kitab al Irshad. <br /><br />Here is Ibn Babuwayh's book al Amali online.<br />http://www.alkadhum.org/other/mktba/hadith/amali/index.htm<br /><br />http://www.yasoob.com/books/htm1/m012/10/no1000.html<br /> <br />I couldn't find Kitab al Irshad online. Maybe you can look it up.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />The 12rs books also have chains in them. For example for this tradition.<br />On the authority of Abi Ja‘far Muhammad ibn ‘Ali who said that the Prophet (P) said to [his grandson al-Husayn] : “From your progeny there will be a man by the name of Zayd who will on the Day of Judgement along with his supporters bypass many front rank fellows of Paradise. They all will enter Paradise without scrutiny.<br /><br />The Zaydi chain by Abu al-Faraj al-Isfahani in Al-Maqatel (130) through the narratives of ‘Ali ibn al-‘Abbas, Isma‘il ibn Is-haq al-Rashedi, Muhammad ibn Dawud ibn ‘Abd al-Jabbar and his father, Jaber al-Ja‘fi, and Abu Ja‘far.<br /><br />In the 12rs book al Amali with this chain.<br />: Ahmad ibn Harun al-Fami, Muhammad ibn ‘Abdillah ibn Ja‘far al-Himyari and his father, Muhammad ibn al-Husayn ibn Abi al-Khattab, Husayn ibn ‘Alwan, ‘Amr ibn Thabet, and Dawud ibn al-Jabbar.ProAhlulBayt1https://www.blogger.com/profile/09431146068078643898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1198887780391997034.post-62121496462683712552010-10-22T21:28:10.933-07:002010-10-22T21:28:10.933-07:00_ كتاب / المجموع الفقهي والحديثي المسمى بـ(مسند ال..._ كتاب / المجموع الفقهي والحديثي المسمى بـ(مسند الإمام زيد)<br />المؤلف : الإمام الأعظم زيد بن علي (ع)<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok143.zip<br /><br />2_ كتاب / تيسير المطالب في أمالي أبي طالب<br />المؤلف : الإمام الناطق بالحق أبي طالب يحيى بن الحسين الهاروني<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok144.zip<br /><br />3 _ كتاب / درر الأحاديث النبوية بالأسانيد اليحيوية<br />المؤلف : جمعها / القاضي العلامة عبد الله مُحَمَّد بن حمزة بن أَبِي النجم الصعدي<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok145.zip<br /><br />4_ كتاب / النور الأسنى الجامع لأحاديث الشفاء<br />المؤلف : العلامة حمود بن عباس المؤيد<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok146.zip<br /><br />5_ كتاب / المختار من صحيح الأحاديث والآثار ..من كتب الأئمة الأطهار ومحبيهم الأبرار<br />المؤلف : السيد العلامة محمد بن يحيى بن حسين الحوثي<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok147.zip<br /><br />6_ كتاب / أمالي الإمام أحمد بن عيسى<br />المؤلف : الإمام أحمد بن عيسى (ع)<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok148.zip<br /><br />7_ كتاب / الأمالي الاثنينية<br />المؤلف : الإمام المرشد بالله يحيى بن الحسين بن إسماعيل الجرجاني الشجري<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok149.zip<br /><br />8_ كتاب / الأمالي الخميسية<br />المؤلف : الإمام المرشد بالله يحيى بن الحسين الشجري<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok150.zip<br /><br />9_ كتاب / الأربعون حديثا السيلقية<br />المؤلف : المحدث زيد بن عبد الله بن مسعود بن رفاعة الهاشمي<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok151.zip<br /><br />10_ كتاب / الأربعون حديثاً العلوية وشرحها<br />المؤلف : القاضي العلامة شمس الدين جعفر بن أحمد بن عبد السلام(576هـ)<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok152.zip<br /><br />11_ كتاب / الجامعة المهمة لأسانيد كتب الأئمة<br />المؤلف : الإمام المجتهد مجدالدين المؤيدي<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok153.zip<br /><br />12_ كتاب / الجامع الكافي في فقه الزيدية<br />المؤلف : الإمام الحافظ الشريف أبو عبد الله محمد بن علي بن عبد الرحمن العلوي<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok154.zip<br /><br />13_ كتاب / أصول الأحكام الجامع لأدلة الحلال والحرام<br />المؤلف : الإمام المتوكل على الله أحمد بن سليمان (ع)<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok155.zip<br /><br />14 _ كتاب / إعلام الأعلام بأدلة الأحكام<br />المؤلف : السيد العلامة محمد بن حسن العجري<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok156.zip<br /><br />15 _ كتاب / المنهج المنير تمام الروض النضير<br />المؤلف : العلامة احمد بن محمد بن يحيى السياغي<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok157.zip<br /><br />16_ كتاب / العتب الجميل على أهل الجرح والتعديل<br />المؤلف : السيد العلامة محمد بن عقيل باعلوي<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok119.zip<br /><br />17_ كتاب / تحرير الأفكار <br />المؤلف : السيد العلامة المجتهد / بدرالدين بن أمير الدين الحوثي<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok081.zip<br /><br />18_ كتاب / الزهري أحاديثه وسيرته<br />المؤلف : السيد العلامة المجتهد / بدرالدين بن أمير الدين الحوثي<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok086.zip<br /><br />19_ كتاب / مختصر في علوم الحديث ، منتزع من كتاب الفلك الدوار<br />المؤلف : السيد العلامة صارم الدين إبراهيم بن محمد الوزير<br />استخرجه وحَقَّقَه وعَلَّق عليه : محمد يحيى سالم عزان<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok097.zip<br /><br />20_ كتاب / القول المبين في فضائل أهل البيت المطهرين<br />المؤلف : السيد العلامة محمد بن عبدالله بن سليمان العزي<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok011.zip<br /><br />21 _ كتاب / الذكر<br />المؤلف : الإمام الحافظ محمد بن منصور المرادي<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok136.zip<br /><br />22_ كتاب / الغارة السريعة لردع الطليعة<br />المؤلف : السيد العلامة المجتهد / بدرالدين بن أمير الدين الحوثي<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok182.zip <br /><br />23_ كتاب / المناهي<br />المؤلف : الإمام المرتضى محمد بن الإمام الهادي يحيى بن الحسين (ع) .<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok190.zip<br /><br />24_ كتاب / الرسالة البديعة المعلنة بفضائل الشيعة<br />المؤلف : العنسي<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok183.zipZabarahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1198887780391997034.post-85194394362121051602010-10-22T21:27:33.845-07:002010-10-22T21:27:33.845-07:00These are the books you are asking about. We have ...These are the books you are asking about. We have them in arabic. but maybe we will have them translated.<br /><br /> _ كتاب / المجموع الفقهي والحديثي المسمى بـ(مسند<br /> الإمام زيد)<br />المؤلف : الإمام الأعظم زيد بن علي (ع)<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok143.zip<br /><br />2_ كتاب / تيسير المطالب في أمالي أبي طالب<br />المؤلف : الإمام الناطق بالحق أبي طالب يحيى بن الحسين الهاروني<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok144.zip<br /><br />3 _ كتاب / درر الأحاديث النبوية بالأسانيد اليحيوية<br />المؤلف : جمعها / القاضي العلامة عبد الله مُحَمَّد بن حمزة بن أَبِي النجم الصعدي<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok145.zip<br /><br />4_ كتاب / النور الأسنى الجامع لأحاديث الشفاء<br />المؤلف : العلامة حمود بن عباس المؤيد<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok146.zip<br /><br />5_ كتاب / المختار من صحيح الأحاديث والآثار ..من كتب الأئمة الأطهار ومحبيهم الأبرار<br />المؤلف : السيد العلامة محمد بن يحيى بن حسين الحوثي<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok147.zip<br /><br />6_ كتاب / أمالي الإمام أحمد بن عيسى<br />المؤلف : الإمام أحمد بن عيسى (ع)<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok148.zip<br /><br />7_ كتاب / الأمالي الاثنينية<br />المؤلف : الإمام المرشد بالله يحيى بن الحسين بن إسماعيل الجرجاني الشجري<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok149.zip<br /><br />8_ كتاب / الأمالي الخميسية<br />المؤلف : الإمام المرشد بالله يحيى بن الحسين الشجري<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok150.zip<br /><br />9_ كتاب / الأربعون حديثا السيلقية<br />المؤلف : المحدث زيد بن عبد الله بن مسعود بن رفاعة الهاشمي<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok151.zip<br /><br />10_ كتاب / الأربعون حديثاً العلوية وشرحها<br />المؤلف : القاضي العلامة شمس الدين جعفر بن أحمد بن عبد السلام(576هـ)<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok152.zip<br /><br />11_ كتاب / الجامعة المهمة لأسانيد كتب الأئمة<br />المؤلف : الإمام المجتهد مجدالدين المؤيدي<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok153.zip<br /><br />12_ كتاب / الجامع الكافي في فقه الزيدية<br />المؤلف : الإمام الحافظ الشريف أبو عبد الله محمد بن علي بن عبد الرحمن العلوي<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok154.zip<br /><br />13_ كتاب / أصول الأحكام الجامع لأدلة الحلال والحرام<br />المؤلف : الإمام المتوكل على الله أحمد بن سليمان (ع)<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok155.zip<br /><br />14 _ كتاب / إعلام الأعلام بأدلة الأحكام<br />المؤلف : السيد العلامة محمد بن حسن العجري<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok156.zip<br /><br />15 _ كتاب / المنهج المنير تمام الروض النضير<br />المؤلف : العلامة احمد بن محمد بن يحيى السياغي<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok157.zip<br /><br />16_ كتاب / العتب الجميل على أهل الجرح والتعديل<br />المؤلف : السيد العلامة محمد بن عقيل باعلوي<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok119.zip<br /><br />17_ كتاب / تحرير الأفكار <br />المؤلف : السيد العلامة المجتهد / بدرالدين بن أمير الدين الحوثي<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok081.zip<br /><br />18_ كتاب / الزهري أحاديثه وسيرته<br />المؤلف : السيد العلامة المجتهد / بدرالدين بن أمير الدين الحوثي<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok086.zip<br /><br />19_ كتاب / مختصر في علوم الحديث ، منتزع من كتاب الفلك الدوار<br />المؤلف : السيد العلامة صارم الدين إبراهيم بن محمد الوزير<br />استخرجه وحَقَّقَه وعَلَّق عليه : محمد يحيى سالم عزان<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok097.zip<br /><br />20_ كتاب / القول المبين في فضائل أهل البيت المطهرين<br />المؤلف : السيد العلامة محمد بن عبدالله بن سليمان العزي<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok011.zip<br /><br />21 _ كتاب / الذكر<br />المؤلف : الإمام الحافظ محمد بن منصور المرادي<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok136.zip<br /><br />22_ كتاب / الغارة السريعة لردع الطليعة<br />المؤلف : السيد العلامة المجتهد / بدرالدين بن أمير الدين الحوثي<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok182.zip <br /><br />23_ كتاب / المناهي<br />المؤلف : الإمام المرتضى محمد بن الإمام الهادي يحيى بن الحسين (ع) .<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok190.zip<br /><br />24_ كتاب / الرسالة البديعة المعلنة بفضائل الشيعة<br />المؤلف : العنسي<br />http://71.18.61.110/books/bok183.zipZabarahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1198887780391997034.post-13753506736099831652010-10-22T21:23:21.258-07:002010-10-22T21:23:21.258-07:00but you said you got it from a 12r book. what book...but you said you got it from a 12r book. what book did you get it from?<br /><br />these are my exact translations???????!!!!!!Zabarahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1198887780391997034.post-37602607152326963162010-10-22T20:26:35.886-07:002010-10-22T20:26:35.886-07:00I am aware its a Zaydi hadith. However, the 12r ar...I am aware its a Zaydi hadith. However, the 12r are claiming it belongs to them. Therefore, we need to study the chains and prove them wrong by providing the details of ahadith transmitters. Maybe brother IRS can help us out.ProAhlulBayt1https://www.blogger.com/profile/09431146068078643898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1198887780391997034.post-60521126042516743632010-10-22T16:27:13.849-07:002010-10-22T16:27:13.849-07:00The hadith you just brought up is a zaidi hadith w...The hadith you just brought up is a zaidi hadith which I translated!Zabarahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1198887780391997034.post-53804460158117641202010-10-22T16:11:06.898-07:002010-10-22T16:11:06.898-07:00first thank you for your overstatment of me being ...first thank you for your overstatment of me being a student of a mujtahid. I am a student but i dont think i am student of a mujtahid yet. although we do get lessons from them.<br /><br />Brother i am surprised you are saying they do have strong arguments. Usually when we discuss such matters they never have had proof of anysorts. I have always told them that i never will refuse the truth whatever it maybe. If 12r is the truth then I shall follow it, but they havent given any. zaidism is logical, zaidism has quranic evidence, and zaidism has hadith evidence.<br /><br />12rs are persistant and want to drill their ideals in you by force which is not acceptable.<br /><br />If you want hadith books for zaidyyah there are plenty. we just need to translate them. <br /><br />As for zaidi narations of Imam zaid there are plenty and I will post them here inshallah soon.Zabarahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1198887780391997034.post-85226271720148733162010-10-21T23:11:44.805-07:002010-10-21T23:11:44.805-07:00Brother Zabarah
You said you were the student of t...Brother Zabarah<br />You said you were the student of the Mujtahid imams in Yemen ? I strongly suggest you to use their assistance in these areas. Do not underestimate the 12rs. A lot of Sunnis and Zaydis become 12rs in the last 10 years. Also, Dr.Essam Ali El-Emad was a former Zaydi, now he is 12r. <br />The extremes among them are dangerous. I remember 6 years ago, I joined shiachat. I was getting pounded. The only thing that stopped me from becoming a 12r at the time was their extreme hatred against non-12rs and the sahaba. In fact, they way these extremes behave looked as if they hated the other Muslims more than non-Muslims. This is no different that the wahabia. Anyway, after one year I met Syed Ninowy's student online, and then also followed Imam Al Asi's lecture. Alhamdulilah now the 12rs are fed up with me and requested me to leave shiachat.com. In fact, I managed to switch two 12r Shias into Sunnis. Sadly, my love for the 12 Imams caused me covert a former Sunni to a 12r. On the contrary, this brother is still not extreme like the others.ProAhlulBayt1https://www.blogger.com/profile/09431146068078643898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1198887780391997034.post-8478690238549672982010-10-21T22:22:59.374-07:002010-10-21T22:22:59.374-07:00Also, if you have any books on the Zaydi ilm-e-rij...Also, if you have any books on the Zaydi ilm-e-rijal that would be great. <br />For example the 12rs have this narration from their books. <br />The prophet once looked at Zayd ibn Harithah, cried, and said " The martyr in the sake of Allah, The crucified of my people, The oppressed from my progeny, his name is thus." Then the prophet pointed at Zayd ibn Harithah and said " Come closer to me, your name became more dear to me because it is the same as my dear child (Zaid.)"<br />However, the origin of this narration seems like a Zaydi/Sunni one. Can you prove this entire chain is a Zaydi and not a 12r one ? <br /><br />Do some research here on chain narrations on he seerah of Imam Zayd ibn Ali (as). Inshallah I will assist then spread this further.<br /><br />Forget these aql vs aql debates. They go nowhere. However, through ilm-e-rijal we can prove the opponents of the Zaydis wrong.ProAhlulBayt1https://www.blogger.com/profile/09431146068078643898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1198887780391997034.post-48465583850706229672010-10-21T22:05:11.065-07:002010-10-21T22:05:11.065-07:00Brother can you translate that ? The proof I have ...Brother can you translate that ? The proof I have doesn't give a direct source. Its just the Western writer who quotes another source which is written in German. The 12rs just looked at it and said its not true. What I need is a direct source where it proves that Shaykh Mufid copied and pasted from Abu al-Faraj Isfahani. I believe Shaykh Mufid admits this himself. How can you prove Shaykh Mufid copied the seerah of Imam Zayd ibn Ali (as) from the Zaydi scholar besides just making the claim ? <br /><br />Also tell me which scholar from the Muslim world show that Shaykh Mufid made this shift on Imam Zayd ibn Ali (as) ? I am sure the Western scholar must have gotten their research from somewhere. <br /><br /><br />If you get that done then I will assist another brother works on to refutation on the 12rs. <br />So far this video was made refute the 12rs. <br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cd-veV9mQzo<br />This video was made by the information passed by discussion which have taken place on al-majalis.ProAhlulBayt1https://www.blogger.com/profile/09431146068078643898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1198887780391997034.post-83178684061150977182010-10-21T21:21:25.932-07:002010-10-21T21:21:25.932-07:00Sorry, just to clarify these are proof of one of t...Sorry, just to clarify these are proof of one of the 12rs stance on the great Imam Zaid bn Ali.<br /><br />They have changing views on him all the time. History cannot hide that he claimed Imamate and he was right to do it.Zabarahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1198887780391997034.post-82048342821459942162010-10-21T21:12:22.338-07:002010-10-21T21:12:22.338-07:00More proof
ابن عقدة ، عن القاسم بن محمد بن الحسي...More proof<br /><br /> ابن عقدة ، عن القاسم بن محمد بن الحسين ، عن عبيس بن هشام عن ابن جبلة ، عن علي بن المغيرة ، عن أبي الصباح قال : دخلت على أبي عبدالله عليه السلام فقال : ماورائك ؟ فقلت : سرور من عمك زيد خرج يزعم أنه ابن ستة وأنه قائم هذه الامة وأنه ابن خيرة الاماء فقال : كذب ليس هو كما قال إن خرج قتل .Zabarahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1198887780391997034.post-88641834008462326662010-10-21T20:37:22.819-07:002010-10-21T20:37:22.819-07:00Brother Proahlulbayt1,
I have researched your iss...Brother Proahlulbayt1,<br /><br />I have researched your issue a little and I came across your Discussions on this subject. You have proof from their books, you have proof from western scholars, and you have proof from our books. <br /><br />What other proof do you need brother?<br />This is one of the stances on the great Imam Zaid bin Ali PBUH<br /><br />Proof 1<br />الباقر قد فطن إلى ذلك، فقد روى القوم عنه أنه قال: سيخرج زيد أخي بعد موتي، ويدعو الناس إلى نفسه، ويخلع جعفراً ابني،ولا يلبث إلا ثلاثاً حتى يقتل ويصلب، ثم يحرق بالنار، ويذرى في الريح، ويمثل به مثلة ما مثل بها أحد قبله<br /><br />Proof 2<br />إن زيداً سيدعو بعدي إلى نفسه، فدعه ولا تنازعه فإن" عمره قصير "Zabarahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1198887780391997034.post-20330060765445512882010-10-18T21:34:47.251-07:002010-10-18T21:34:47.251-07:00Just research their stance during Shaykh Mufid'...Just research their stance during Shaykh Mufid's era and before it. <br />Can you prove that it was Shaykh Mufid who made this shift ? <br /><br />I posted my research on this subject. However, my proof are mostly based on Western sources. <br />http://almajalis.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=12023<br /><br />Also, the Western source states Shaykh Mufid copied and pasted the seerah from the Zaydi scholar Abu al-Faraj Isfahani. Can you prove this ?ProAhlulBayt1https://www.blogger.com/profile/09431146068078643898noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1198887780391997034.post-46174799257961288852010-10-18T20:22:18.576-07:002010-10-18T20:22:18.576-07:00I am aware of that. I am also aware that other 12r...I am aware of that. I am also aware that other 12r marjees have made many claims on Imam Zaid. som of which are:<br /><br />1. that he was fighting for his brother imamte<br />2. that he was an Imam under an Imam<br />3. That he was a wine drinker<br />4. that he did not know about the divine appointment of his brother.<br /><br />I have discussed this issue many times with 12rs. if I provide proof from their marjas they said it has been lied about them. if I provide proof from sunnah they say they are nasabees and want to change the truth. and when we provide proof from our books they say we have changed them too. if we provide proof from the hadith of the prophet or the Quran they say it is not interpreted that way. <br /><br />the problem with 12rs is that they are always changing their beliefs on such issues to suite what they want to say. so what are we supposed to refute.Zabarahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1198887780391997034.post-47077565353904050202010-10-18T18:33:32.439-07:002010-10-18T18:33:32.439-07:00Continuation of above discussion:
Imam Rassi said...Continuation of above discussion:<br /><br />Imam Rassi said...<br />salaamz to all!<br /><br />To Bro ProAhlulBayt: I think that before we go any further, we must correct some of the misinformation that you have received about the Zaidis. (of course my comments will be in ALL CAPS).<br /><br />First you said: "I disagree with them and Zaydis in some areas such as eternal punishment for sinful Muslims. For example if I lied once intentionally, and I die without repenting then I am doomed for eternal punishment in hell."<br />--AS THE BROTHER MENTIONED THIS IS A TOTAL MISUNDERSTANDING REGARDING THE ETERNAL FATE OF MAJOR SINNERS. THE IDEA IS THAT IF A PERSON PERSISTED IN MAJOR SINS (I.E. CONTINUED TO COMMIT MAJOR SINS UNTIL THEIR DEATH AND NOT REPENT) THIS PERSON WILL DWELL FOREVER IN HELLFIRE. MAY ALLAH SAVE US FROM THAT! THIS IS NOT THE SAME AS COMMITTING ONE SIN BEFORE ONE DIES. PLEASE REFER TO THE FOOTNOTES OF OUR TRANSLATION OF THE 180 QUESTIONS TO IMAM AR-RASSI (AS) AND YOU WILL SEE THAT THE ETERNALITY OF THE MAJOR SINNERS IS A DOCTRINE SUBSTANTIATED BY THE QUR'AN, PROPHETIC SUNNAH, AND IMAMS OF AHL AL-BAYT (AS). IF YOU STILL HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THIS DOCTRINE THEN IT IS BECAUSE OF YOUR OWN NAFS.<br /><br />"As for Zaydis, they believe Imam Ali (as) was explicit divinely appointed. I believe his appointment is implicit. Therefore, I disqualify as a Zaydi."<br />--THERE ARE SOME ZAYDIS THAT ASCRIBE TO THE IMLICIT THEORY. HOWEVER, THE MAJORITY SAY THAT THIS IS UNTENABLE BECAUSE AN ISSUE OF SUCH IMPORTANCE AS THE IMAMATE SHOULD NOT BE CONFINED TO INDIVIDUAL INTERPRETATIONS. THEREFORE, IT IS LOGICAL THAT THE PROPHET, PEACE BE UPON HIM AND HIS PROGENY, MADE THE ISSUE CRYSTAL CLEAR. OTHERWISE, THIS WOULD ASCRIBE SOMETHING UNBEARABE TO OUR PROPHET.<br /><br />"So far I haven`t seen any Zaydi material which challenges the 12rs through ilm-e-rijal."<br />--AS THE BROTHER MENTIONED, IF YOU COULD READ ARABIC YOU WILL SEE THAT OUR IMAMS AND SCHOLARS HAVE CHALLENGED THE 12ERS THROUGH ILM AR-RIJAL. ONE OF OUR SCHOLARS, SAYYID ABDULLAH AD-DAYLAMI WROTE A WORK REFUTING THE 12ERS USING THEIR OWN SOURCES! I HEARD THAT HE WROTE A SERIES OF QUESTIONS AND POSED THEM TO THE SCHOLARS OF QUM AND HE HAS NOT YET RECEIVED A REPLY FROM THEM!<br /><br />Regarding the misguided statements of the 12ers, Sunnis, Wahabis, or any other group regarding the Zaydis, our imams and scholars have refuted them for a long time. It doesn't matter to us what the 12ers say about us! Just as it doesn matter to them what we say about them! Simply talking and debating is a circular process. Our sources wouldnt be authentic to them, their sources wouldnt be authentic to us! However, as the brother Zabarah said: there is only one sect that has faithfully adhered to the Book and the 'Itra. The other sects have been deficient in one or the other. <br /><br />And Allah knows best!<br /><br />IRS<br />October 16, 2010 12:47 AMzaidahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10445187375750375925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1198887780391997034.post-90588814056833530522010-10-18T18:28:58.105-07:002010-10-18T18:28:58.105-07:00Continuation of discussion about Imam Ali and Imam...Continuation of discussion about Imam Ali and Imam Zaid:<br />zabarah said...<br />whether nahj albalagha is compiled by a 12r is refutable. but i wont go into that detail.<br /><br />even if it was does it mean they are the right sect?<br />we believe some sunnis source to be correct. do we give them the upper hand? alsahiffah alsijadia is compiled and kept by zaidi imams does that give us the upper hand?<br /><br />the truth of the matter is that you have think logically and chronologically. which sect have not changed in their core beliefs? which sect have inherited knowledge through ahlal bayt until today. most of old 12 scholers are non ahlulbayt. and remember hadith of the two weighty things. <br /><br />if 12 are right in your view do you believe in their last imam. do you believe that he talked when he was infant? do you believe that he is alive for 1300 years!?<br />October 15, 2010 5:27 AM <br />ProAhlulBayt1 said...<br />Brother why don't you write details on Nahj al Balgha and pass it on to sister zaida. She will be enter it as a new post. As far as I know Syed Razi was a Rafidi Shia. <br /><br />For Sahifah Al Sajjadiyah, Shaykh Mufid says Imam Zayd ibn Ali (as) was a 12r. He then adds that he fought for the imamate of imam Jafar as Sadiq (as) not his own. If you can prove that all the narrators are zaydis instead of 12rs that would be great.<br /><br />The 12rs say the Jarudiyya sect were the real Zaydis. How do you refute that ? <br /><br />As for the 12th imam his existence this can be dismissed through ilm-e-rijal. However, if you use aql there are various way to prove his existence. In fact, many major Sufis have said he is alive and the real Mahdi. <br /><br />What Zaydis need to do is dismiss the 12rs through the process of ilm-e-rijal. Otherwise, this concept of aql will just go in circles. <br />The 12rs have monopolized the concept of aql. However, they were refuted by a wahabis through textual basis.<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6szlhjLUOs<br />October 15, 2010 2:44 PM <br />Zabarah said...<br />do you read arabic? I have all that you need in arabic.<br />October 15, 2010 7:17 PM <br />ProAhlulBayt1 said...<br />Sorry bro I don't. If I did, I would be very ahead in my research. The 12rs on the contrary, have translated a lot of material which they use to promote their sect. If we have the academic material translated it would be great.<br />October 15, 2010 8:15 PMzaidahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10445187375750375925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1198887780391997034.post-47272612112341662912010-10-18T18:19:59.395-07:002010-10-18T18:19:59.395-07:00The following discussion has been moved from the &...The following discussion has been moved from the "Legitimacy of violence" page:<br /><br />From Pro ahlul bait:<br />As for Imam Ali (as) there is no doubt that he is the rightful successor of Prophet (pbuh). Even after the calipahs took his position, it still makes him the successor by default. There are enough ahadith to indicate this. Whoever doubt this is misguided or misinformed. However, in the shia schools you have to believe this is explicit command. There is no room for implicit belief.<br />The 3 calipahs are temporal representative of the Prophet (pbuh). In areas of Deen I wouldn't say all their ijihad is binding on the Sunni world. <br /><br />As for sinning, in the Mutazilla and Zaydia theology you are doomed even if you sin once and don't repent for it. For example if you lie and don't repent for that lie then you are doomed for hell. <br />If a person lies to his parents in fear of being punished, isn't he or she in trouble, if they don't regret this sin ?<br />October 14, 2010 1:46 PM <br />ProAhlulBayt1 said...<br />As for free will and determinism. The Mutazilla believed in total free will. On the contrary, Imam Jafar as Sadiq (as) said "the reality is neither predestination, nor absolute freewill, but the answer lies in the middle of the two."<br />October 14, 2010 1:52 PM <br />zabarah said...<br />Implicit or explicit: is he devinly appointed<br /><br />if you fear punishment from your parents that you or your parents cant bare then allah will not punish on something humanbeings cant bare. and allah is always just! so if allah rule you from the people of hellfire than you are. and if you are from the people of heaven then you are. and allah is mercifull!<br /><br />Also, to be a person of major sin you have to do alkabair and insist on them. the ones that are mentioned in the quran.<br /><br />on free will and predestination issue: its enough to say that deeds we do that we will be rewarded for and punished for is our own doing.<br /><br />do you think that zaidies dont believe in qadar?<br /><br />12rs have changed throughtout generations on many issues. the only issue they havent changed on is the 12 imams. check their sources.<br /><br />just advice: dont mix mutazillah and zaidyah. and dont take information of one sect from another.<br />October 14, 2010 3:29 PM <br />ProAhlulBayt1 said...<br />Forget the past 12rs/dozeners Shias. I am very well aware of their evolution. Shaykh Mufid and Shaykh Murtaza both had Mutazilla teachers. Also, Shaykh Tusi was initially a Sha'afi in fiqh. <br />The 12rs have evolved, and we should tackle them on new issues. I found a great 12r Shia book store online with many valuable books. However, again these books are all in Arabic.<br />http://www.fadakbooks.com/fiqhusulalfiqh.html<br />This store also has some Zaydi books.<br />http://www.fadakbooks.com/zaidi.html<br /><br />So far the 12rs are dismissing all the Zaydi books such as Al- Amali and Musnad Zayd. We should prove the case to be otherwise. <br /><br />As for Mutazilla like you said they are gone. May Allah reward them for their strong commitment, and may Allah forgive them for their errors. <br /><br />If Zaydis can deal with the latest issues of research then inshallah they will be on top.<br />October 14, 2010 4:34 PM <br />Zabarah said...<br />What research are you talking about? can you please be more clear and specific on this issue.<br />October 14, 2010 8:08 PM <br />ProAhlulBayt1 said...<br />Salaam<br />I hope Sister Zaidi doesn't tell us to stop going off topic. <br />Well the 12rs say the real Zaydis are the Jarudiyya sect. They say the Zaydis today are not the followers of Imam Zayd ibn Ali (as), but followers of Imam Hadi (as) instead. <br />Next they dismiss Musnad Zayd and Al Amali. They call Abu Khalid `Amr b. Khalid a fabricator. <br />So far I haven`t seen any Zaydi material which challenges the 12rs through ilm-e-rijal. Its always been an aql vs aql contest. With this match its always a never ending match. Also, in the end the Zaydis accepted Najh al Balgaha which is complied by a 12r. In the end, its seems like they have the upper hand.<br />October 14, 2010 9:18 PMzaidahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10445187375750375925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1198887780391997034.post-49870934815478479552010-10-18T14:41:03.799-07:002010-10-18T14:41:03.799-07:00Ma Salaam Thank you for writing me back so soon&qu...Ma Salaam Thank you for writing me back so soon"i have made a mistake in the response in the last email i had send you"I had been a Muslim for over 30 years and i was a in the maliki school for fifteen"and than i became a jaferia for about ten or twelve years and now i am a zaydi and had study zaydism for about three months"my questions is do the zaydi use any of the books that the jaferia use or share the same books?and the zaydi do not say amin or amen?so what do they say after sura hamd? i read from the zaydi its better to pray on the earth?when they say pray on the earth do they mean the whole body or forehead? i like dua kamyal etcbigwalihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01129423739368778146noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1198887780391997034.post-32717907134251905042010-10-17T22:50:25.239-07:002010-10-17T22:50:25.239-07:00To Bigali, the question about Sufism was asked and...To Bigali, the question about Sufism was asked and answered in the July edition of "ask a zaidi". Here are the answers that were posted back then, hope you find them helpful. <br /><br />Imam Rassi Society said...<br /><br />If by "sufism" you mean purification of the soul, then Zaidism is not opposed to that! Indeed, many of our imams and scholars have attained what the sufis would call "wilayat" through spiritual excercises and gnosis (ma'rifa) of their Lord. As a result, some of them were able to do miracles! <br /><br />We refer to this as zuhd (indifference towards the dunya). Indeed, zuhd is a qualification for the imam. However, the ability to perform miracles is not a qualification. Miracles are just possible consequences of their spirituality. <br /><br />We have powerful duas and awrad from our imams and ulema that are sufficient for one on the spiritual path! We do need murshids or brotherhoods (turuq) to reach gnosis of our Lord!<br /><br />If by sufism you mean following a murshid or sheikh blindly, Zaidism is opposed to such! This is because, as brother Aws said, the greatest ni'ma is our minds and intellect. If we forsake our intellect to blindly follow some "sufi shaykh" or "pir sahib", we have no one to blame except ourselves if we are misguided!<br />July 13, 2010 6:47 AM <br />Imam Rassi Society said...<br />Oh yeah, it must also be said that historically "Sufis" have played a role in the destabilization of the Zaidi imamate. <br /><br />For example, in the Yemeni consciousness, the Zaidis saw sufism as being equated with the Ottoman rule. So when the Ottomans dominated Yemen, the imams were a bit suspect of sufism.<br />July 13, 2010 6:51 AM <br />zaida said...<br />Abdullah Hamidaddin said:<br />On the question of Sufi tradition; the essence of the sufi tradition is not as thought to be connecting to God .. its essence is submission to a guru ... belief in his special powers, in particular powers to know you more than yourself .. considering inspiration as a valid source of knowledge, focusing on conscious-altering rhythmic rituals among others ... in that regard Zaydis didn’t have such practices.<br />July 14, 2010 1:36 AMzaidahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10445187375750375925noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1198887780391997034.post-90316588280726412442010-10-17T21:38:59.880-07:002010-10-17T21:38:59.880-07:00Brother Zabarah
Are you aware that the 12rs belie...Brother Zabarah <br />Are you aware that the 12rs believe that Imam Zayd ibn Ali (as) was a 12r and not a Zaydi Imam ? From what I read it was Shaykh Mufid who shifted the view on the Imam. However, since I don't speak Arabic I can't fully convince all the 12rs. <br />Here is what he wrote and what they believe.<br />>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>><br />The Ithna 'Ashari sources do not believe that Zaid claimed imamate for himself. Shaykh Mufid states "However that was not his intention because he knew of the right of his brother, peace be on him, to the Imamate before him, and of his bequest of trusteeship (wasiyya) at his death to Abu 'Abd Allãh (i.e., Jafar as-Sadiq), peace be on him."(al-Irshad)<br /><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<br />Also one of his teachers was a non-12r. He was a Mutazilli named Abu'l-Qasim al-Ka'bi al-Balkhi (ra). You can see how Shaykh Mufid managed to make radical changes in the 12rs aqeeda.ProAhlulBayt1https://www.blogger.com/profile/09431146068078643898noreply@blogger.com